DUBLIN DRAFT DEVELOPMENT PLAN (Section 17.9.2 Names of Residential Estates)Barmy (considering English is the mother tongues of 90% plus of Dubliners) or sinister (a cack-handed attempt at linguistic cleansing), take your pick.
"All new street and development names shall reflect local historical, heritage or cultural associations and the basic generic description (i.e. Court, Quay, Road etc.) must be appropriate.
The Planning Authority will approve the naming of residential developments in order to avoid confusion in regard to similar names in other locations. Street signs must be bilingual, and all house numbers must be visible.
Developers shall agree estate names with the Planning Authority prior to the commencement of development. Such estate names shall be in the Irish language only and shall reflect the history and topography of the area in which they are located. The names of public roads shall be in the Irish language only." DUBLIN CITY COUNCIL
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Irish is the first official langauge of Ireland. It is constitutionally protected and supported.
Dublin City Council and its ELECTED members are entitled to do this and in my opinion, should be congratulated for doing so.
Is Irish, as well as being the first official language of the ROI, the primary language spoke by the majority of Dubliners?
My argument isn't against the principle of bilingual signage in this case it's against the stupidity of monolingual signage of streets and developments in a language which is not the mother tongue of the vast majority of the city's residents.
A completely pointless exercise.
Have these "elected" councillors nothing better to be concerning themselves with.
They way to keep the Irish language alive is to get people to want to speak it and use it.. this exercise is just an attempt to shove it in peoples faces. pointless
To the one with the Gaelic name.
I am a Dubliner of many generations. Don't tell me how my city should be run and my tax money spent. English is the spoken language of my city and has been since the 10th century. Before that it was Hiberno-Norse.
Gaelic was never the language of Dublin, as for it being the first official language of Ireland, that is a load of bollocks and is down the De Valera's bigoted 1937 Constitution.
English is the mother tongue of ALL Dubliners... Gaelic speakers are just hobbyists and careersists, living off the bureaucracy created by diktats such as Dublin City Council.
By the way, just becuase these clowns are elected does not mean what they do should be accepted. We have had corrupt Governments in the South ripping robbing us blind for decades. Does that mean it's all right because they were elected?
The Dublin City Council vote was taken on show of hands only. There is no record of which councilors voted to ban English the use of English for Dublin's future placenames - the literary language of Swift, Joyce, Beckett and Wilde.
The only record is that it was proposed by two members of Ireland's most corrupt parties: Fianna Fail and The Shinners.
I think unionists can only learn from this, and don't allow the Irish Language Industry to get a foothold up there.
English is the spoken language of my city and has been since the 10th century.
You mean it was the spoken language of Dublin before the Norman invasion (which happened in the 12th century)?
I hope the rest of your historical argument is built on firmer foundations.
"All Englishe, and the most part with delight, even in Dublin, speak Irishe."
Lord Chancellor Gerrard, 1578
"When their posteritie became not altogither so warie in keeping, as their ancestors were valiant in conquering, the Irish language was free dennized in the English Pale: this canker tooke such deep root, as the bodie that before was whole and sound, was by little and little festered, and in manner wholly putrified."
Stanihurt on Irish in the Pale, 1587
"It is not in the interests of our community for Irish (which our ancestors shunned as they would rocky crags) to be spoken widely and freely."
Dubliner Richard Stanihurt, 1587
"All the Englyshe folke of the said countyes [those not under English control] ben of Iryshe habyt, of Iryshe langage, and of Iryshe condytions, except the cyties and the wallyd tounes...All the comyn peoplle of the said halff countyes, that obeyeth the Kinges lawes, for the more parts ben of Iryshe byrthe, of Iryshe habyte, and of Iryshe langage."
'An account of the State of Ireland', 1515
"English has become the language of Ireland at large only within the present century. Two generations ago Irish was spoken up to the very walls of Dublin, and old people may still be found within a few miles of the capital who understand though they cannot speak it. But though Irish was the prevailing language, the old English colonists struggled hard to maintain, with their political power, their own speech; and it is curious to find in the sixteenth century, English spoken in parts of Cork, Tipperary and Kilkenny, which were mostly outside the Pale, as well as in all the cities and large towns. The events of the seventeenth century scarcely disturbed the linguistic balance; it was only the National schools, the famines, and the clearances of our own time, that finally turned the scale in favour of English."
The Irish Ecclesiastical Record (1865)
http://www.archive.org/stream/irishecclesiasti17dubluoft#page/694/mode/2up/search/anglo
Jesus. How far back do you want ot go with your "historical argument"? 10th or 12th century? By any standards it's a long time ago, eh? Gaelic has NEVER been the spoken or administrative language of Dublin.
As for the last poster, even my Irish education system history books did not make such ridiculous claims.
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