Polling DataSample-tested for Scotland specifically (I'm not sure what was the point in asking the question outside Scotland) is small, but still, an interesting spread of figures. Salmond's preference for a four-option referendum is probably on the premise that independence choice would secure the propaganda value of the highest percentage of the four, but even that hasn't happened here.
In its White Paper on Independence, the Scottish Government outlines four different scenarios for Scotland’s future. Which of these scenarios would you prefer?
The status-quo: Scotland as part of the UK, with a Scottish Parliament that has the power to pass laws and limited tax-varying capability: 36%
Scotland having some additional powers, including the introduction of a new Scottish rate of income tax: 22%
Scotland having many additional powers, such as full financial autonomy from the UK: 17%
Scotland’s full independence from the United Kingdom: 25%
Wednesday, December 16, 2009
Even with the four-optioned, Salmond struggles
75% of Scottish adults believe Scotland should not separate from the rest of the United Kingdom, according to a poll by Angus Reid Public Opinion:
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(I'm not sure what was the point in asking the question outside Scotland)
Well it would be nice to be asked here in England, to see if we want to continue to have Scotland hanging on to us like a drunk on a Satruday night. The debate seems to assume that England is keen to remain in the Union, so it's up to the Scots to decide, but there is a lot of investment that currently goes to Scotland that it would be nice to have here. The Scots keep getting polled on this but nobody has asked my opinion. I'd say bye bye, to be frank, and let's hear less about them.
53% satisfied or happy that Scotland becomes independent, this is why the British establishment, totally undemocratic that they are will not give us a referendum.
Sadly more people UK wide advocated Scottish independence than Scotland itself. The past few weeks has found me in group discussions whereby with my prompting the issue of independence came up. I was amazed at just how much of a minority I was in. Seemingly the old lies still prevail though, in one of the groups one woman was vehement that Scotland was too poor to go alone. I heard almost uniformly that the oil was going to run out etc.... I tried my best to correct these myths. Even mentioning the topic of the moment concerning Scotlands future in wind wave and tidal technology. One that may well outdo our oil resources.
Seems to me the battle is for information. The SNP cannot compete with the Unionist media and their perpetuation of what amounts to blatant lies, sure the internet has been great but it isn't the mass media.
Anonymous,
The debate seems to assume that England is keen to remain in the Union,...
This particuliar debate re Scotland doesn't make any assumptions about England. Whether Scotland decides to leave the UK is up to them and them alone unless there is a major constitutional change. Whether there is a UK for them to leave could indeed be up to the English voter but, again, that's not the opinion which is been measured here
Tony,
"53% satisfied or happy that Scotland becomes independent, this is why the British establishment, totally undemocratic that they are will not give us a referendum."
I'm not sure that the use of "satisfied", "dissatisfied" is really appropriate in this kind of poll- "apathetic" or "open" to the the argument is probably closer to the truth. But the paradox is there again, more people vote for SNP than want independence (even one of the best SNP bloggers, SNP Tactical Voting is not sure about it!)
The media's role in all this, there is definitely a pro-Labour bias in the Scottish papers I read, when that coincides with a pro-Union pov then it is used. But it's Labour first, Union second.
Other than that, in the modern internet world papers tend to follow their readers rather than the other way round, if the market was there for a pro-SNP tabloid or broadsheet rest assured an entrepreneur would be rishing to fill it.
anonymous
>>..there is a lot of investment that currently goes to Scotland that it would be nice to have here...<<
And there is a lot..............a shedload of investment that currently goes to England that it would be nice to have here. Your point?
Oneil
>>But the paradox is there again, more people vote for SNP than want independence (even one of the best SNP bloggers, SNP Tactical Voting is not sure about it!)<<
Eh? Opinion polls, often wildly differing are usually not best indicators. Let's have the referendum vote then we can have that argument. Taking your reasoning, you do realise that many who vote for Unionist parties, the Lib-Dem's especially favour independence. I know it begs the question......................but should we be given the chance to vote, we'll see.
It takes a load of money to sustain a newspaper especially in this climate. The chances of a new paper starting out fresh is impracticle. More likely for a current newspaper to change it's stripes. The Sun(gawd help us) flirted with the SNP for a while) but that was because they were anti-Labour dawn sarf andcould not be pro-Tory in Scotland.
On this topic, have you ever witnessed newspapers like the Daily Record, closely followed by the Scotsman who were so pravda like? It is reaching ridiculous proportions at the moment with the lies, ommissions, stories with the worst possible pictures of SNP politicians their paps can get. The Scotsman totally ignored the recent Grey scandal over council money. Even the English Broadcasting Corporation are outdoing themselves. Thankfully Salmond has finally given the go ahead to take them on. They are an absolute tax payer funded disgrace, they have torn up their charter.
All in all a level playing field, wouldn't you say?
To my mind the really significant point is that there is higher support for Scottish Independence outside Scotland and judging by previous polls this support is growing - and no doubt that will be all the disgruntled English. And yet we still can't get our politicians to listen to our concerns or even acknowledge that we have any!
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