Saturday, September 12, 2009

Fighting the BNP online

I got an email yesterday from the "There’s Nothing British about the BNP" team regarding a link, alerting me to this story and looking for support:
A problem facing opponents of the BNP is that your comments are quickly over-whelmed with crazed fascist trolls so any support you can give us would be greatly welcomed.
Very happy to give them my public support and I'd urge you, from whatever political viewpoint you might be coming from, to do the same.

15 comments:

Urban_Underclass said...

I'm always happy to give the BNP a bit of abuse!

Rory

O'Neill said...

Good man :)

John Henry said...

Nice one.

kensei said...

The BNP suck ass, clearly, but "nothign British" about them? Please. Unless you can accept the worst of yourself is a part of you, then you can't really do much to fix it.

O'Neill said...

"Unless you can accept the worst of yourself is a part of you, then you can't really do much to fix it."

That's implying that racism is an inherent part of the British character rather than, as the site argues, an abnormality. If you haven't read it already you should have look at Bragg's "The Progressive Patriot", his argument would run along similar lines to "Nothing British".

tony said...

Is there a nation that doesn't have racism as an issue to some degree? Jeezo even the Scandanavians are pretty tame race wise but one of the Norwegians favourite songs is about chasing Swedes.

Given Britains colonial history, to argue that racism, or the legacy even is not still inherent in british society is somewhat fanciful. You may wish to reflect on the rise in right-wing groups that you have reported on yourself many times.

O'Neill said...

"You may wish to reflect on the rise in right-wing groups that you have reported on yourself many times."

There are British racists of course but as you say far-right and racism is an ongoing phenonomem throughout Europe (espec in E Europe some of the racist parties did two or three times as well as the BNP at the last Euro election).

But despite what the BNP would probably claim, their "Britishness" doesn't make them racially superior- it's a question of those of us who are proud to be British continually trying to drive that fact home.

tony said...

Losing battle Oneil, similar to one that Protestantism lost to the knuckle draggers of the OO and the old UUP.

I wish you well.

kensei said...

Oneill

That's implying that racism is an inherent part of the British character rather than, as the site argues, an abnormality. If you haven't read it already you should have look at Bragg's "The Progressive Patriot", his argument would run along similar lines to "Nothing British".

No, sorry, racism was a part of the British character right into the 1970s and 1980s and at points of its history was extreme. I think you'll find Mr Philip Windsor has done a few clangers in his time, too. Or you only have to look at the recent trouble sin loyalist areas, too.

"Inherent"? No. Particularly widespread in modern times? No. But still there and a product of British history and ideology and circumstance and itsd still worth thinking about "What is it about us that can produce this?". Then you figure out the right way to change it, and the right way to tackle it.

I have a lot of time for Billy Bragg and he was awesome at the EP. But he also stated a lot fo things I didn't agree with. I'll get round to the bnook eventually, but wouldn't e surprise dot find the same.

Usual disclaimers about Irish people also being bollix apply.

nabidana said...

I've been supporting this endeavour for a long time, proudly. These feckers have nothing to do with my britishness whatsoever. I was once threatened by a BNP nutter in England and found that the most effective argument he could think of was to ask me to identify the various parts of the UK. Having done so, he laughed and his answer was:

"England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, the Isle of Man, The Channel Islands, Malta and Gibraltar."

'Twas all downhill from here.

Urban_Underclass said...

I was surprised to learn that the BNP is operating a call centre in Dundonald in east Belfast!

O'Neill said...

Urban Underclass,

By coincidence I received this by email whilst I was away:

From: Celebrating Diversity Fighting Hate

To: celebrating_diversity@ymail.com
Sent: Mon Sep 14 20:59:24 2009
Subject: Letter to close down the BNP call centre in Dundonald

We are asking people to add their signatures (and organisations/trade unions etc if appropriate) to the letter below.

We are also asking people to circulate the letter. The aim is to gather as much support as possible with the idea of launching a broad based campaign of political leaders, community and trade union leaders and anti racism activists committed to having the centre shut down. Two MLA's have signed amongst many others - scroll down for the complete list. Reply to this email to add your name to the letter.



SHUT DOWN THE BNP CALL CENTRE

WE THE UNDERSIGNED are horrified that the BNP's national call centre is located in Carrowreagh Business Centre in Dundonald. The call centre is playing a central role in organizing recruitment and fundraising for the BNP and distributing their racist literature. We pledge our support for a campaign to have the call centre closed down.

The last thing that Belfast needs is the presence of an organisation notorious for spreading racist lies whose members boast a string of convictions for race hate crimes. Wherever the BNP organises, immigrants and members of black and minority ethnic communities come under attack.

The BNP is a deeply vicious organization. Racism, prejudice, anti women attitudes and homophobia permeates every aspect of the BNP. They call for the "repatriation" of all non whites - despite the fact that there are many non white people who are British. They refer to the holocaust as the "holohoax". Their leader refers to gay people as being repulsive. Another leading member denies that rape exists saying publicly that forcing a woman to have sex against her will is not a crime because it is like forcing her to eat chocolate cake. The reality is that the BNP is a fascist organisation built on advancing their political goals through violence and lies. Their leader has a conviction for inciting racial hatred, as do many other members. An undercover journalist at a BNP "family day" held recently in England revealed how children were encouraged to burn gollywogs on a bonfire while the adults discussed where they would find "real" ones to burn and boasted of committing racist attacks in their own local areas. The Belfast Telegraph who reported the presence of the centre in Dundonald refers to the party as being fascist, stating "The British National Party is peddling its vile fascist propaganda from a secret Belfast bunker".

The true nature of the BNP is why so many people are opposed to their presence and do everything in their power to shut them down. Recently it was revealed that the BNP have been unable to secure office premises anywhere in East Lancashire. Reports confirm that time and time again landlords pulled out of deals for premises when they discovered who their new tenants would be. During the recent election campaign postal staff demanded their right to use a conscience clause in their contract to refuse to deliver their election literature. Many trade unions expel members who are found to be linked to the BNP. Every police force in the UK bans its members from joining the group.

We are absolutely opposed to the BNP. We are calling on political leaders, community and trade union leaders, anti racism activists and all those in our society concerned about this alarming development to take a stand and organise together to shut down these hate mongers.

O'Neill said...

Kensei

Most of your comment I agree 100%, how it is to be dealt with is important and "Nothing British" is a part of the bigger picture.

There are many British racists, but if racism were part of the overall British character then we would see much more evidence, such as a far-right taking 20% plus of the overall vote as opposed to (still bad enough) what the BNP presently pulls in.

KenDee said...

But there is nothing British about the 3 main parties lib/lab/con they have sold out our industry to foreign investors, sold us out to the EU by deceit,you cant say that there is nothing British about the BNP when they are only looking out for the intrests of Britain.

Urban_Underclass said...

Missed your acerbic wit O'Neill,
Welcome back,

Rory