If something is Brit, it's bad. Hence the Nazi agents being smuggled into Ireland with IRA assistance: hence the IRA lighting fires on the Black Mountain to guide Nazi bombers to Belfast; hence IRA U-boat missions to Ireland -- all in all, the Shinners' contribution to the Final Solution. And the Shinners can't say that all this was just part of a confused and ignorant past, because until recently, before someone cut it down, they continued to have annual commemorations at the statue of Sean Russell, the Nazi stooge who died in on his way to further the aims of the Third Reich in Ireland.
It's surely one of life's mysteries how Myers has survived so long with his knee-caps intact.
Here he is on Sinn Fein’s ( and their *dissident* buddies' from the Planet Zog!) decision to have counter-marches in Belfast to protest against the safe return home of the Irish soldiers who've been on active service in Afghanistan.
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Depends on your term "shinner" I suppose. If Myers is just refering to the Republican movement in World War II then fair enough.
However if it is extended to mean all Irish republicans in general etc, maybe he should remember the former Jewish IRA man Bobby Briscoe who spent some of the war and the immediate aftermath supplying guns to zionist paramilitaries in Palestine to kill British servicemen there in the struggle to create a Jewish state.
It is strangely one of Myers' weak spots Israel. Something the "Shankill Moaner" has picked up on.
Irish paramilitatries taking up arms to fight the British state in an effort to create an independent state - Bad, Evil
Zionist paramilitatries taking up arms to fight the British state in an effort to create an independent state - Great, Heroic
Er
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sergeants_affair
However if it is extended to mean all Irish republicans in general etc, maybe he should remember the former Jewish IRA man Bobby Briscoe who spent some of the war and the immediate aftermath supplying guns to zionist paramilitaries in Palestine to kill British servicemen there in the struggle to create a Jewish state.
I’m not sure there were/are many other Irish republicans, Jewish or otherwise, who supported or support the state of Israel today.
It is strangely one of Myers' weak spots Israel. Something the "Shankill Moaner" has picked up on.
Irish paramilitatries taking up arms to fight the British state in an effort to create an independent state - Bad, Evil
Zionist paramilitatries taking up arms to fight the British state in an effort to create an independent state - Great, Heroic
Myers supports the right of Israel to exist (and regularly exposes the hyprocrisy of those for example in the Irish union and academic world who concentrate solely on the evils of the Jewish state, whilst ignoring a host of other potential targets), but I don’t recall ever reading him specifically laud the Stern or Irgun gangs or their campaign against the British state- the Shankill Moaner had some specific examples? He’s got one or two weak spots, his attitude towards Israel and Irish terrorism aren’t two of them.
Today of course you have the weird situation whereby Celtic fans wave Palestinian flags whilst Rangers fly Israeli ones.
Not to mention the Provo's traditional support for the PLO to name some illustrations.
Strange considering the links between Zionist and Irish Paramilitarism and nationalism. Apart from the late Mr Briscoe (later twice Lord Mayor of Dublin - nice work if you can get it), of course the Irish state was the first European state to recognise Israel and De Valera the first European statesman to make an official visit.
He was the guest of Rabbi Herzog, the first Chief Rabbi of Ireland, who had run a Republican safehouse during what his son Chaim (future President of Israel) Herzog claimed was part of the Irish Jewish community's strong support for the "Irish Revolution" as he put it in his final instalment of memoirs "Living History".
Chaim Herzog himself of course was high up in the more benign (till 1945 anyway) Haganah when he took up arms against the British army he had been serving in during the war.
Amongst the Stern Gang, its second leader (Mr Stern having been killed by British intelligance for trying to do a deal with Hitler!) Yitzak Shamir (for it was he) called "Mikhail" in the organisation's code. He called himself in tribute to his hero Michael Collins - according to Tim Pat Coogan anyway.
Collins of course had been Briscoe's handler when he was procuring guns for the IRA on the continent. Briscoe's most notable exercise was when he smuggled a load of guns out of Hamburg on a tug boat. It had been towing a larger ship also destined to Ireland which was chased by the Royal Navy through international waters to Ireland where upon being raided was found to contain a cargo of cement for some of Briscoe's legitimate business contacts.
Irgun member Avshalom Haviv (hanged for his part in breaking out prisoners of Accra prison) also invoked Ireland at his trial:
"When the fighters of the Irish underground took up arms against you, you tried to drown the uprising against tyranny in rivers of blood. You built gallows; you murdered people in the streets; you banished some into distant lands. You thought, in your great folly, that by force of persecution, you could break the spirit of resistance of the free Irish, but you were wrong. The Irish rebellion grew until a free Ireland came into being..."
Concerning Myers, the piece was drawn from satire in the moaner and comparing his attitude to the Irish and Israeli armed forces:-
http://www.5wwwww5.com/theshankillmoan/viewtopic.php?t=108&sid=6463cde7f29bf747f4862161d060bee3&mforum=theshankillmoan
I was probably too hard on him. But his attitude in condeming the roots of the Irish state whilst not doing so for Israel (born in not disimilair circumstances) does say something.
For the record, I do support Israel's right to exist (spent two weeks out there). However not the "settlements"
It has often of course been a charge against Irish nationalism by some of its opponents that it is anti-semitic due to Arthur Griffith's anti-semitism. What Griffith would of thought of three Jews in the Dail in 1992 - Benny Briscoe (son of Bobby), Alan Shatter and Mervyn Taylor (who was Justice minister). Probably spinning in his grave.
Concerning Myers, the piece was drawn from satire in the moaner and comparing his attitude to the Irish and Israeli armed forces:-
http://www.5wwwww5.com/theshankillmoan/viewtopic.php?t=108&sid=6463cde7f29bf747f4862161d060bee3&mforum=theshankillmoan
I was probably too hard on him. But his attitude in condeming the roots of the Irish state whilst not doing so for Israel (born in not disimilair circumstances) does say something.
Ah, so he never actually praised Irgun/Stern, it was just the fcat that he supported the creation of Israel the Shankill Moaner had a problem with. The main difference between the creation of the two states is the Holocaust (and the expulsion of Jews from North Afria and other Arab territories). The creation of a Jewish homeland in palestine became almost inevitable, world (or at least US) public opinion wouldn't have settled for anything less. The Shankill Moaner plays it safe, pandering to its own community's beliefs and prejudices- ok the DUP are fair enough targets, but it also has too much of a tribal element ("let's all laugh at the thick loyalist/prods") to make it worth reading, in my opinion. The last really worthwhile satire on NI affairs was the Portadown News:
http://www.portadownnews.com/11Jul05.htm
The guy involved in it had death threats from both sides, which in NI terms, is unfortunately a sign of success.
To be fair O'Neil I would suggested the Moaner is hardly a Republican mouth piece. Maybe a SDLP one but not SF.
Takes such as:
Gerry Adams being described as a man with no heart, the liar king, pinnochio and Sinn Vain and the best:
"Hey Boyo, we know where you live! Vota Sinn Feinn Or we'll fuckin' kill ya"
FF got labelled with pictures of Nixon.
FG satire was "Fine Gael - The Party of Michael Collins - (thank fuck he is not around otherwise he would shoot us all!) - Fine Gael - what the fuck exactly are we for?"
It does satirise the Loyalist organisations - but to be fair in my parts you do not need to be a Catholic or an Irish Republican to think of them as a load of rednecks. I am remember in the news section - not the comment - covering Portadown - describing the grandmaster as "the leader of the rednecks".
I might add that when I once drunkenly called a Protestant Unionist friend of my mine from Bangor a few years back an Orangeman he was very offended at being associated with Loyalist organisations. Although he owned up to having a great-uncle in the Black Chapter.
I must have been reading a different Moan then!! No problem with the loyalist organisations getting flak, but when the focus is on a community as a whole, you move onto very dodgy territory, but I'll go back when I've time and catch up on a few more of the backissues.
Try the "Cartoon Times" bit about Adams being the "Liar King" with his face superimoposed on a mane (sic) denying he had ever been in the "Ra"
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