tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post995160181488035080..comments2023-10-22T11:57:34.718+01:00Comments on A Pint of Unionist Lite: A Conservative government will inevitably mean a stronger UnionO'Neillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-45361456730982561442009-04-12T01:17:00.000+01:002009-04-12T01:17:00.000+01:00I now see exactly whats going with this world. If ...I now see exactly whats going with this world. If you say yes, the others say no, its a tough world out there in order to get ahead..<BR/>But, as long you stay up, keep your head up right, do your homework like the Mister that wrote this well written piece did. <BR/>Sooner or later, you'll have a plan and succeed, so its never too late to begin, start now! Don't procrastinate, get to organizing IBM Lenovo Laptop Partshttp://www.sparepartswarehouse.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-31722734767565191002009-04-07T11:18:00.000+01:002009-04-07T11:18:00.000+01:00Aberdonian, not strictly true.The British Governme...Aberdonian, not strictly true.<BR/><BR/>The British Governments between 1931 and 1945 had a pluarity of votes. The 1931 Election was actually the only Election were one Party (the Tories) recieved more than 50% of the vote.<BR/><BR/>Also, I don't feel a Conservative Government will be good for the Union, not that I'm complaining. The Tories, even with a 7 or 8 point win at the election, will Seamusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-68097126297085685462009-04-03T17:18:00.000+01:002009-04-03T17:18:00.000+01:00O'NeillTo be pedantic no UK government has ever re...O'Neill<BR/><BR/>To be pedantic no UK government has ever received the majority of the votes cast in a UK general election since well Gladstone in 1880. It thanks to the skewed voting system that you have large overall majorities etc.<BR/><BR/>At the moment the best a government can hope for is around 43% of the vote. Even getting more votes than your rivals does not guarantee you will be the The Aberdoniannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-60077867750565674592009-04-03T15:25:00.000+01:002009-04-03T15:25:00.000+01:00I accept the "english parliament" point but the or...I accept the "english parliament" point but the original claim is just a bit undermined still :-P<BR/><BR/>Only back for a short time, but nice to look around again!Hen Ferchetanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05824537681698480500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-92061933069279807552009-04-03T12:07:00.000+01:002009-04-03T12:07:00.000+01:00I suppose one might suggest that Gordon Brown has ...<EM>I suppose one might suggest that Gordon Brown has only been PM - and indeed, has only been a significant figure in the Labour Party - during periods where Nationalism has been considered significant in Scotland.</EM><BR/><BR/>That's arguing that the expression of his Unionism, more strongly stated now than at any other time prior to 97, is inversely proportional to the present strength of O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-49818371362144325242009-04-03T11:53:00.000+01:002009-04-03T11:53:00.000+01:00HFBut by the same reasoning it won't be governing ...HF<BR/><BR/><EM>But by the same reasoning it won't be governing Scotland and Wales with the mandate of the Scot/Welsh electorate</EM><BR/><BR/>As a Unionist, I see a government elected by the majority of the UK electorate as acting on the mandate of the UK people, wherever they may come from.<BR/><BR/>As you know by now I'm an anti-devolutionist, I regret the fact that constitutional vandalism O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-80575218801064205562009-04-03T07:53:00.000+01:002009-04-03T07:53:00.000+01:00Nonsense? "Mad-cap conspiracy theory?" Where's y...Nonsense? "Mad-cap conspiracy theory?" Where's your evidence?<BR/><BR/>Because <B>my</B> evidence is <I>everywhere</I> you look.<BR/><BR/>Scotland has its own Parliament that deals with as much as 85% of Scottish legislation, including all the "bread and butter" issues such as Health, Education, and so on. It will brook no outside interference in these matters and is even having the Calman Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02948105455433369982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-74193292884851160542009-04-02T20:14:00.000+01:002009-04-02T20:14:00.000+01:00Stonemason - sorry I didn't understahnd a word of ...Stonemason - sorry I didn't understahnd a word of that.<BR/><BR/>O'Neill said that tory government would trengthen the Union because it would have an english mandate that Labour hasn't got since it would be the majority party. By the same deduction it would weake the Union because it wouldn't have the mandate in Scotland and Wales that Labour currently has.<BR/><BR/>As for your cooperation/Hen Ferchetanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05824537681698480500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-61707794072098096232009-04-02T19:54:00.000+01:002009-04-02T19:54:00.000+01:00Wildgoose,What utter nonsense. There's absolutely ...Wildgoose,<BR/><BR/>What utter nonsense. There's absolutely no basis in fact for such a mad-cap conspiracy theory. <BR/><BR/>O'Neill,<BR/><BR/>I suppose one might suggest that Gordon Brown has only been PM - and indeed, has only been a significant figure in the Labour Party - during periods where Nationalism has been considered significant in Scotland.-https://www.blogger.com/profile/06144347543667242514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-67272935576576353372009-04-02T19:51:00.000+01:002009-04-02T19:51:00.000+01:00Hen FerchetanDC will have this Welsh families mand...Hen Ferchetan<BR/><BR/>DC will have this Welsh families mandate.<BR/><BR/>Nationalism in Wales is done, as DC said recently .....<BR/><BR/>There would be a relationship of "cooperation, not confrontation" between administrations in Westminster and Cardiff under the Conservatives.<BR/><BR/>Now how would Plaid fit that suit of clothes, not very well by past experience.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05037177825712467778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-68430550242531196742009-04-02T17:34:00.000+01:002009-04-02T17:34:00.000+01:00Wildgoose that is absolute nonsense, he geniunely ...Wildgoose that is absolute nonsense, he geniunely believes that Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland are greater than the sum of their parts and that all benefit. He is also emotionally British, his wife is English. I don't think he is British because it's convienent for Scotland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-49442013815526295322009-04-02T16:09:00.000+01:002009-04-02T16:09:00.000+01:00Good point Hen.And there is no way I would describ...Good point Hen.<BR/><BR/>And there is no way I would describe Gordon Brown as a "Unionist", (and ditto the blogger "Scottish Unionist" for that matter as well).<BR/><BR/>Gordon Brown is a <I>"Colonialist"</I>.<BR/><BR/>He believes that the Union is best for <I>Scotland</I> and so supports it but not for any other reason - he is only interested in what is best for Scotland, and what best engineersUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02948105455433369982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-11213063915843933432009-04-02T15:33:00.000+01:002009-04-02T15:33:00.000+01:00"e) The Conservative Party will be (as per point b..."e) The Conservative Party will be (as per point b) the government of all the UK. It will also be, unlike Labour presently, "governing England" with the mandate of the English electorate."<BR/><BR/>But by the same reasoning it won't be governing Scotland and Wales with the mandate of the Scot/Welsh electorateHen Ferchetanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05824537681698480500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-64850365300323730662009-04-02T14:59:00.000+01:002009-04-02T14:59:00.000+01:00Carson's CatA stronger Union will come about, not ...Carson's Cat<BR/><BR/><EM>A stronger Union will come about, not through the hitching of mainland unionism to one political party, but through a broad will to tackle the threat of nationalism across all of the main political parties.</EM><BR/><BR/>Nothing would delight me more, but in the meantime there are elections to be had and governments to be formed and the point of the post was that I thinkO'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-18235084255396159492009-04-02T14:48:00.000+01:002009-04-02T14:48:00.000+01:00DG,Its easy to dismiss Brown as Salmond does, but ...DG,<BR/><BR/><EM>Its easy to dismiss Brown as Salmond does, but I do believe there is at least honest belief in the union behind him.</EM><BR/><BR/>It's only since the rise of nationalism in Scotland and Wales (and the corresponding damage to Labour's powerbase in both countries) that we've seen that belief come to the fore. How much of it is a genuine conviction and how much of it is realpolitikO'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-37712797130196012022009-04-02T13:10:00.000+01:002009-04-02T13:10:00.000+01:00A stronger Union will come about, not through the ...A stronger Union will come about, not through the hitching of mainland unionism to one political party, but through a broad will to tackle the threat of nationalism across all of the main political parties. <BR/><BR/>Of course that isn't the purpose of this post but its to say .... "oooohhh isn't Reggie great cos we're part of the Conservative party now".<BR/><BR/>What happens if Cameron needs 5 Carson's Catnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-29772628737813753732009-04-02T11:40:00.000+01:002009-04-02T11:40:00.000+01:00Are you sure Gordon Brown's Britishness drive is w...Are you sure Gordon Brown's Britishness drive is without conviction? I think it has that, but it just inept.<BR/><BR/>The latest post over at Scottish Unionist makes this point, quoting the man who's currently presenting a programme on Britishness for Radio 4 and with whom he Brown is writing a book on British national identity, makes this point. <BR/><BR/>For one, I think Unionism (or at the -https://www.blogger.com/profile/06144347543667242514noreply@blogger.com