tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post8838680497553934794..comments2023-10-22T11:57:34.718+01:00Comments on A Pint of Unionist Lite: Widening and shifting the goalpostsO'Neillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-64964389044393603862008-09-25T20:40:00.000+01:002008-09-25T20:40:00.000+01:00I always thought Wellington said "Being born in a ...<EM>I always thought Wellington said <BR/><BR/>"Being born in a stable does not necesarry make one a horse"</EM><BR/><BR/>He did, that why I said I was altering it a touch in my comment;)O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-11849609707527817912008-09-25T19:00:00.000+01:002008-09-25T19:00:00.000+01:00The LD Fringe went as well as I could expect, but ...The LD Fringe went as well as I could expect, but not as well as I could hope. (Interestingly it was Scottish Lib Dems that were probably the most receptive).<BR/><BR/>I'll e-mail you a transcript of my speech.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02948105455433369982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-7587142392229747002008-09-25T10:53:00.000+01:002008-09-25T10:53:00.000+01:00O'Neill - it works the other way just as often. On...O'Neill - it works the other way just as often. On numerous forms I find the options as "British" "Irish" "Other" and find myself having to tick other.<BR/><BR/>In the last census the options were "british" "Scottish" "Irish" or "Other" - how does that make ANY sense to a Welshman or Englishman?Hen Ferchetanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05824537681698480500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-69730461051332072322008-09-25T09:59:00.000+01:002008-09-25T09:59:00.000+01:00I always thought Wellington said "Being born in a ...I always thought Wellington said <BR/><BR/>"Being born in a stable does not necesarry make one a horse"<BR/><BR/>Maybe I am wrong.<BR/><BR/>I believed he said in context of him being born in Ireland and being taunted by elements of English society for being Irish. He was insinuating that being of English stock made him English wherever he was born and raised.<BR/><BR/>Interestingly, Kitchener, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-36593479302047068942008-09-25T09:25:00.000+01:002008-09-25T09:25:00.000+01:00Wildgoose,I am English.That is my choiceWhich you'...Wildgoose,<BR/><BR/><EM>I am English.<BR/><BR/>That is my choice</EM><BR/><BR/>Which you're entitled to and I'm arguing against the limitation of choice eg in the nupcoming Scottish Census form.<BR/><BR/>BTW, how did the speech go at the LD conference?O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-16429593190436027832008-09-25T09:23:00.000+01:002008-09-25T09:23:00.000+01:00Surely to be british, one must live in Britain?To ...<EM>Surely to be british, one must live in Britain?</EM><BR/><BR/>To alter Wellington’s quote a touch<BR/>:<BR/><BR/>"A horse being born outside a stable is still a horse."<BR/><BR/>In more concrete legal terms, the UK Citizenship Act of 1983 and the Belfast Agreement set out the rights of people in Northern Ireland to claim both British citizenship and identity.O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-50398143543975047412008-09-25T03:48:00.000+01:002008-09-25T03:48:00.000+01:00Surely to be british, one must live in Britain?Surely to be <I>british</I>, one must live in <B>Britain</B>?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-12711119274958536312008-09-25T03:45:00.000+01:002008-09-25T03:45:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-631845829686766562008-09-24T23:31:00.000+01:002008-09-24T23:31:00.000+01:00I am English.According to the British State though...I am English.<BR/><BR/>According to the British State though, I am British.<BR/><BR/>It is vainly trying to simultaneously suppress the idea of Englishness whilst <I>at the same time</I> comprehensively discriminating against me and mine because we are not Scottish, nor Welsh, nor Irish...in fact because we are English.<BR/><BR/>In 1997 I was proudly British - and a proud Yorkshireman. I never Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02948105455433369982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-62572948659206933462008-09-24T20:15:00.000+01:002008-09-24T20:15:00.000+01:00HFWhere I saw the comparison is the creeping attem...HF<BR/><BR/>Where I saw the comparison is the creeping attempt to force it into an "either or" question.<BR/><BR/>You recognise the possibility of people feeling both British and English/Irish etc...there are plenty within the various nationalist movements that are not prepared to be so generous.O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-87894447122528409012008-09-24T14:25:00.000+01:002008-09-24T14:25:00.000+01:00Interesting point, but a flawed comparison. Muslim...Interesting point, but a flawed comparison. Muslim and Britishness are two totally different thing - a nationality and a religion.<BR/><BR/>Welsh/English/Scottish/Irish and British are all nationalities. While some are happy with the idea of having both nationalities, others see the former as their "true" nationality and the latter as their legal nationality (i.e. passport) hence the expression "Hen Ferchetanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05824537681698480500noreply@blogger.com