tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post5915678618956132207..comments2023-10-22T11:57:34.718+01:00Comments on A Pint of Unionist Lite: Daithi didn't get where he is today by pandering to "good relations".O'Neillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-37876813314899842592010-10-04T12:25:31.480+01:002010-10-04T12:25:31.480+01:00(continued)
"And the black population of SA ...(continued)<br /><br />"And the black population of SA is still up shit creek. You cannot build equality on good community relations. Did the Civil Rights marchers in the US demand some good relations to build on? No, they demand action and legislation now. Thankfully we are long past that point, but the primacy of equality remains."<br /><br />Given the choice between SA and Zimbabwe, O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-23724291116767086292010-10-04T12:24:37.224+01:002010-10-04T12:24:37.224+01:00"No, you had a pop against "equality&quo..."No, you had a pop against "equality" - repeated here - when Daithi clearly laid out the principles he was talking about"<br /><br /><em>"Equality cannot and should not be built on good relations".<br />"Cannot"? "Should not"?</em><br /><br />That's what he said and that's the crux of my criticism. "Cannot" is highly debatable- O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-8284103346467237262010-10-02T11:32:40.326+01:002010-10-02T11:32:40.326+01:00Your comments zone just ate a large comment. In su...Your comments zone just ate a large comment. In summary:<br /><br />US Civil Rights protestors didn't demand nebulous community relations, they demanded action and legislation and worried about GR later. That is entirely correct. The Africa comparison is way way off skew. GR is desirable but equality always and everywhere must retain primacy. "Non legislative equality" is kenseinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-637222623025927272010-10-02T11:26:28.013+01:002010-10-02T11:26:28.013+01:00That's weaker than your usual and exactly the ...<i>That's weaker than your usual and exactly the same strawman argument McKay attempted- disagreeing with the SF approach on this does not mean that you dispute the necessity of equality legislation. I dealt with it on my point 1 in the post.</i><br /><br />No, you had a pop against "equality" - repeated here - when Daithi clearly laid out the principles he was talking about<br /><kenseinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-41228729822779622422010-10-01T15:12:30.765+01:002010-10-01T15:12:30.765+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-23434933206393373532010-10-01T15:12:28.438+01:002010-10-01T15:12:28.438+01:00"So, what exactly is your problem with the Ma..."So, what exactly is your problem with the MacBride principles or the idea that there should be a statuatory duty to promote equality exactly?"<br /><br />That's weaker than your usual and exactly the same strawman argument McKay attempted- disagreeing with the SF approach on this does not mean that you dispute the necessity of equality legislation. I dealt with it on my point 1 in O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531858236570346203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008037633121035579.post-37228070573744376372010-10-01T11:20:38.235+01:002010-10-01T11:20:38.235+01:00So, what exactly is your problem with the MacBride...So, what exactly is your problem with the MacBride principles or the idea that there should be a statuatory duty to promote equality exactly? <br /><br />Unionists would be better off sing these to their advantage rather than moaning.<br /><br />"During the debate yesterday we argued that putting Good Relations on a par with equality would lead to cases where equality would be undermined on kenseinoreply@blogger.com